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	<title>Comments on: Rev. Rick Warren and the Question of Challenging our New President</title>
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		<title>By: Phil Lawson</title>
		<link>http://www.equaljusticesociety.org/2009/01/rev-rick-warren-and-the-question-of-challenging-our-new-president/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The President-Elect needs all of his supporters to increase their walking, singing, and protesting in the streets, so that he can do the thing we want him to do, as well as those things he is inclined to do. History has taught us that it is exactly while Obama is in office that our efforts must increase. Our efforts in the streets will encourage and undergird the President and our friends in Congress. It was President Roosevelt who told A. Philip Randoph that he ,Roosevelt, would need the troops in street in order to do the right thing. By troops, I mean the walkers, strikers, etc... not soldiers.
 
I suggest that we go from issue to issue, marching in the streets, pushing back at those who are already 
pushing the President-elect!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The President-Elect needs all of his supporters to increase their walking, singing, and protesting in the streets, so that he can do the thing we want him to do, as well as those things he is inclined to do. History has taught us that it is exactly while Obama is in office that our efforts must increase. Our efforts in the streets will encourage and undergird the President and our friends in Congress. It was President Roosevelt who told A. Philip Randoph that he ,Roosevelt, would need the troops in street in order to do the right thing. By troops, I mean the walkers, strikers, etc&#8230; not soldiers.</p>
<p>I suggest that we go from issue to issue, marching in the streets, pushing back at those who are already<br />
pushing the President-elect!!!</p>
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		<title>By: melvin s. hodges</title>
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		<dc:creator>melvin s. hodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please remove my name from your site. I do not support your objectives re Obama. let him chart his own course on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please remove my name from your site. I do not support your objectives re Obama. let him chart his own course on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Obama’s embrace of Rick Warren reflects a determination to build a popular force strong enough to correct the top-priority problems facing this country. Offering Warren a prominent role in the inauguration contributes to that effort. None of the comments by Paterson, Wolff, or Kendell address this reality.

More than 20,000 human beings die every day needlessly. The climate crisis threatens life on Earth. Our economy could fall into another Great Depression. Obama needs Warren and his followers to help deal with these issues. By demonizing Warren and failing to understand why people feel so strongly about wanting to give special status to male-female marriage, critics could weaken the Obama movement.

Warren has made a major contribution to saving the environment by undermining the coalition that was spreading disinformation about the climate crisis. His commitment to address global poverty and serving the needs of AIDS victims is clear. As Melissa Etheridge and others report, he is a kind person who is open to change. Obama knows him rather well personally, and I trust Obama’s judgment of character.

Kendell is wrong to say, “Warren’s views represent the most extreme outer margin of religious views on LGBT issues…. He rejects any recognition for our relationships.” In that infamous belief.net interview, Warren said, “No American should ever be discriminated against because of their beliefs.... I favor anyone being able to make anyone else the beneficiary of their health or life insurance coverage. …No one should be turned away from seeing a friend in the hospital.... In America, people already have the civil right to live as they wish.” While Warren opposes gay marriage, he sees divorce as a far greater threat and he objects to all forms of non-traditional marriage, including polygamy, as well as a man and woman living together “in sin.” And he did not say, “Legal recognition of same-sex couples is as serious a threat to family life as incest and pedophilia.” Rather, his statement referred to the (hypothetical) idea of marriage between brother and sister or an older man and a child. We should treat our opponents more fairly than Kendell does in her comments.

Kendell is correct to say that gay marriage is an issue of “enormous cultural and political significance.” For good reason, however, Obama is trying to defuse the Culture Wars by affirming empathy and a non-ideological worldview. We need to learn from him in this regard. 

Empathy can lead us to understand why so many people feel strongly about giving male-female marriage special status. In fact, there is something completely unique about male-female sexuality. It has been Nature’s way to help humanity perpetuate the species. Genes from both a man and a woman are necessary for the birth of a child. Society, therefore, has encouraged marriage between the father and mother of children, partly as a way to protect children and nurture their upbringing. And parenting a child produced by such a union, from the gene pool of the parents, is a unique experience.

These genetically and culturally engrained rooted tendencies are very strong and deep. Challenging them pushes buttons. So when we do so (as with other forms on non-traditional marriage), it is best to do so with some understanding.

Obama often states that his approach is rooted in a “pragmatic, progressive philosophy,” or worldview, rather than an “ideology.” But many reporters, pundits, and activists apparently don’t understand the distinction. Others unfortunately disagree.

An ideology is a set of abstract doctrines, or dogma, that claim absolute truth, as with various forms of fundamentalism. In fact, however, these abstractions are only one side of the truth. Ideologues refuse to acknowledge that reality is many-sided and insist on trying to shape reality according to their single-minded perspective.

A pragmatic worldview, on the other hand, is more tentative, is rooted in an awareness that our beliefs are based on assumptions that can’t be proven, is willing to appreciate the various sides of an issue, and is willing to experiment with what works best.

From this perspective, although I voted against Prop. 8 and would vote for a repeal, I also recognize that Rick Warren has many fine qualities and can contribute to progress on pressing material issues that aren’t largely cultural. We need Warren and as many of his followers as possible shoulder-to-shoulder on these other issues. He needs to be at the head of the table. If he tries to draw a circle that excludes some of us, we can redraw the circle to include him. Once again, Barack Obama, with his emotional competence and political savvy, leads the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Obama’s embrace of Rick Warren reflects a determination to build a popular force strong enough to correct the top-priority problems facing this country. Offering Warren a prominent role in the inauguration contributes to that effort. None of the comments by Paterson, Wolff, or Kendell address this reality.</p>
<p>More than 20,000 human beings die every day needlessly. The climate crisis threatens life on Earth. Our economy could fall into another Great Depression. Obama needs Warren and his followers to help deal with these issues. By demonizing Warren and failing to understand why people feel so strongly about wanting to give special status to male-female marriage, critics could weaken the Obama movement.</p>
<p>Warren has made a major contribution to saving the environment by undermining the coalition that was spreading disinformation about the climate crisis. His commitment to address global poverty and serving the needs of AIDS victims is clear. As Melissa Etheridge and others report, he is a kind person who is open to change. Obama knows him rather well personally, and I trust Obama’s judgment of character.</p>
<p>Kendell is wrong to say, “Warren’s views represent the most extreme outer margin of religious views on LGBT issues…. He rejects any recognition for our relationships.” In that infamous belief.net interview, Warren said, “No American should ever be discriminated against because of their beliefs&#8230;. I favor anyone being able to make anyone else the beneficiary of their health or life insurance coverage. …No one should be turned away from seeing a friend in the hospital&#8230;. In America, people already have the civil right to live as they wish.” While Warren opposes gay marriage, he sees divorce as a far greater threat and he objects to all forms of non-traditional marriage, including polygamy, as well as a man and woman living together “in sin.” And he did not say, “Legal recognition of same-sex couples is as serious a threat to family life as incest and pedophilia.” Rather, his statement referred to the (hypothetical) idea of marriage between brother and sister or an older man and a child. We should treat our opponents more fairly than Kendell does in her comments.</p>
<p>Kendell is correct to say that gay marriage is an issue of “enormous cultural and political significance.” For good reason, however, Obama is trying to defuse the Culture Wars by affirming empathy and a non-ideological worldview. We need to learn from him in this regard. </p>
<p>Empathy can lead us to understand why so many people feel strongly about giving male-female marriage special status. In fact, there is something completely unique about male-female sexuality. It has been Nature’s way to help humanity perpetuate the species. Genes from both a man and a woman are necessary for the birth of a child. Society, therefore, has encouraged marriage between the father and mother of children, partly as a way to protect children and nurture their upbringing. And parenting a child produced by such a union, from the gene pool of the parents, is a unique experience.</p>
<p>These genetically and culturally engrained rooted tendencies are very strong and deep. Challenging them pushes buttons. So when we do so (as with other forms on non-traditional marriage), it is best to do so with some understanding.</p>
<p>Obama often states that his approach is rooted in a “pragmatic, progressive philosophy,” or worldview, rather than an “ideology.” But many reporters, pundits, and activists apparently don’t understand the distinction. Others unfortunately disagree.</p>
<p>An ideology is a set of abstract doctrines, or dogma, that claim absolute truth, as with various forms of fundamentalism. In fact, however, these abstractions are only one side of the truth. Ideologues refuse to acknowledge that reality is many-sided and insist on trying to shape reality according to their single-minded perspective.</p>
<p>A pragmatic worldview, on the other hand, is more tentative, is rooted in an awareness that our beliefs are based on assumptions that can’t be proven, is willing to appreciate the various sides of an issue, and is willing to experiment with what works best.</p>
<p>From this perspective, although I voted against Prop. 8 and would vote for a repeal, I also recognize that Rick Warren has many fine qualities and can contribute to progress on pressing material issues that aren’t largely cultural. We need Warren and as many of his followers as possible shoulder-to-shoulder on these other issues. He needs to be at the head of the table. If he tries to draw a circle that excludes some of us, we can redraw the circle to include him. Once again, Barack Obama, with his emotional competence and political savvy, leads the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Moncrief</title>
		<link>http://www.equaljusticesociety.org/2009/01/rev-rick-warren-and-the-question-of-challenging-our-new-president/comment-page-1/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Moncrief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a resident of Florida, that also saw the unfortunate passing of a law that not only affects same sex unions, it poorly affects unmarried heterosexual senior citizens who choose to live together. 

I think too much power is being given this issue and far to much power to the person in question. Instead, we need to focus on a requirement that  propositions are clearly written so that the public doesn&#039;t get bamboozled into supporting of issues written so poorly and with so little clarity. That seems to be the larger issue here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a resident of Florida, that also saw the unfortunate passing of a law that not only affects same sex unions, it poorly affects unmarried heterosexual senior citizens who choose to live together. </p>
<p>I think too much power is being given this issue and far to much power to the person in question. Instead, we need to focus on a requirement that  propositions are clearly written so that the public doesn&#8217;t get bamboozled into supporting of issues written so poorly and with so little clarity. That seems to be the larger issue here.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Reid MD</title>
		<link>http://www.equaljusticesociety.org/2009/01/rev-rick-warren-and-the-question-of-challenging-our-new-president/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Reid MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was obvious to some Obama supporters that he was not going to always please all of us with his decisions. The reason is that he must be Presidentm to all the people and not just to those who supported him or to those who voted for him for ideological reasons. He clearly stated that he was going to reach out to all Americans. Unfortunately that includes people who are intolerant and short sighted. We should not lower ourselves to their level in terms of intolerance. I realize this effects some of us more than others but these are my feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was obvious to some Obama supporters that he was not going to always please all of us with his decisions. The reason is that he must be Presidentm to all the people and not just to those who supported him or to those who voted for him for ideological reasons. He clearly stated that he was going to reach out to all Americans. Unfortunately that includes people who are intolerant and short sighted. We should not lower ourselves to their level in terms of intolerance. I realize this effects some of us more than others but these are my feelings.</p>
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